Fontaine Racing
webster wisconsin
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Jerry
Thanks for the compliment! we raced pro-stock last season without any mfg's. support and hoped we can afford to go this year? only hoping for and not expecting any support.
this big guy has to go sand some drywall this morning and hope to get paid. then I can keep my electricity connected and be able to chat with you guys.
(snowmobiles racing is a sick addiction)
Have a GOOD day! appreciate the feedback!
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SPEEDSLUT
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Short extruded purpose built racing skis are the way to go, The fans know that a machine can be stock and run these parts. A stocker is hard enough to drive compared to a champ style machine and the trail skis are a step backward I think, and as for a 'Driver control problem" my opinion is the more you have hanging out there the more potential for a problem there is.(kind of like in college) Also driving over the top of them aint that bad, its when a long ski gets driven under the tunnel enclosure and rips up a 600.00 track and tears up the skid until it grinds to a hault and it will get under there as ive been there and it takes several people to pull apart . JMO
I SPEND HALF MY PAYCHECK RACING; THE REST I JUST WASTE !!!
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Xtreme22
Plymouth, MN
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1991 XC 440
1992-?? XCR 440
Now the Iq's
ZR 440's
MXZ 440's
So probably wondering what my point is here. my point is this these were all the race sleds back in the day (limited build)in the 440 stock class that the Manf's pushed and grew to be biggest classes out there and the public loved to watch, at the same time the PUBLIC COULD NOT buy these sleds. Also the 800 open class the public loved to watch. My feeling is this wh did they love to watch them because they were at a race and liked to see stuff on the track that only racers have. seriously what other form of racing in the PRO classes can a consumer go buy a sled/bike/car/etc of the show room and just drop it on the track and race in the pro class. Its called pro for a reason, besides the ability to drive they should have the best equipement. I think the stock rules personally should stay where they are right no or at least grandfather in the sleds currently racing stock for PRO racing. In the othe divisions a new stock is stock rule might be good than Joe trailer rider can try it out, but he/she know s if theyu want to race in the PRO classes what is in fornt of them. Personally though i think stock is dying or well is dead. We should concentrate on bringing the JR's up and maybe a F500 format for stock is good in that way.
Yes i agree we need more fresh blood in the mix and new faces around. But I think we can do it in other ways rather than changing everything for the manf's with no promise from them they will even respond to it. Your average fan knows that he/she can not go buy a sled of the showroom and just drop it on a ice track.
Here is a a thought lets just keep it the way it is and change the decals on the sleds to each manf's models for that year and hood color LOL.
But really in the past the premier classes in ovals the consumer has never been able to buy that sled on the track at their local dealer.
and Jerry i respect you i do, but honestly you can not say that since the change of short skis's in stock the the accident number has dropped about 95%. short skies are safer, ya it might allow the driver to dive in a bit deeper, but that makes for better racing for the fans to watch doesnt it.
Nick Scheer
Nick Scheer
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Fontaine Racing
webster wisconsin
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Hi
Talked with a couple people over the weekend that are currently involved in the pro stock class. a comment from an earlier post was brought to my attention,
remember? last thing I want to do, is get any one fired up on here. just want to bring out some topics that seemed to make sense to me.
the topic was about the pro stock class. pertaining to, the guys in it now need to make the next step up. the question was. being it is a pro class, should you be expected to move up? It seems to me, that most people do at some time? I believe there are still at least a couple teams that plan on racing in stock for a little while yet. another point was. can we just plan on a whole new group getting into the stock class. or should we still hope to have some supported Pro teams with equipment out there?
one of Nicks points that I do agree with. is that we shouldn't expect to take a sled right out of the box. and go oval racing in a pro class. and most people wouldn't expect that.
the point is. when making new rules, should we hope to start with new rules and hope to find new people also? or should we consider the fact that these will still be 120 hp animals. and some of the people involved now, would be valuable to keep involved? and if we are going to try and keep these few involved we should make sure they aren't uncomfortable. I really don't think we can afford to create a class no one wants to race in.
just some things that were brought to my attention and I am passing them on. THANKS!
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that 31 car
Next to the big swamp. Menchalville, WI.
Joined: 02/15/2002
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Doug:
As I read it, are you saying we should retain our old version of Pro Stock and drop the new idea. Fine with me, if it reflects a full review of the concept. It appears you have contact with several of the drivers, is it true they don't want to change? As Todd tells it at Eagle the Pro stock driver there didn't think the change was a bad idea, or am I getting a bad steer on the meeting?
Korinek
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that 31 car
Next to the big swamp. Menchalville, WI.
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Pretty quiet on here lately. Any final opinions before the ISR meeting Sunday, or did you all give up? Doug, you out there?
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SPEEDSLUT
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against the "3 year model" rule,
thought the current rules were in place till 2010
Hopefully whatever rules are agreed on increase the numbers and dont diminish the field more than what we have now.
JMO thx
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Fontaine Racing
webster wisconsin
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That's the trouble! (I am out there)
Pretty big unknown zone! I think there is probably more going on than a peon like myself would ever understand.
I like the thought on the new stock class, and its reasons, Just not sure what the outcome may be. other than losing some of the present participants? this is harder for me to accept than others though.
maybe some one involved could get an opinion from an expert like Mike Houle.
Let the chips Fall were they may!
Jerry
Please keep that limited 500 class going.
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Spy-Guy 74
Almost in Canada, MN
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This is just a guess on my part, I look for nothing to change in stock class for next season after the rule's meeting this weekend. On the other hand I look for at least three less sleds in Stock 600 class next year in Eagle River, and that was the only race that had more than three or four sleds last year. Doesn't look like very healthy numbers to me.
By no means do I have an answer for a cure all, but on the other hand what we're doing now isn't working. Three years ago I lobbied hard to Jerry to keep the rules the way they are now, looking back I think I was wrong. The way it is now, your not going to see any growth at all in numbers. Look back four or five years, Wally always had a full field in the Junior stock classes, even more in the Sport stock classes and he ran four classes each weekend in sport stock. These classes are all but done now. Where are the new numbers going to come from if we don't change?
Some people won't like the comments I just made, but I believe they needed to be said. Remember to we only have two manufactures racing stock class in the Mid-West on ice ovals. My gut feeling is if nothing is done we'll have two new classes. Pro Champ Lite and Semi-Pro champ Light, they both will have stock engine with pipes and a champ frame. Then we'll have four champ classes, do you think race fans will be less confused with this?
I think everyone better let their racing association know what they want, before next weekend. If stock numbers don't turn around, stock as we know it will be gone.
Greg Peterson
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Fontaine Racing
webster wisconsin
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well said Greg
and change is always a little scary? but with the direction stock is headed,we have to try something.
Just hope we can be a little open minded if we need to be?
Thanks
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