glhperformance
downing wi
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Scott the whole point is drivers from the west will be starting from scratch with a mod 600. All sleds bought have a arms or trailing arms. I think we should retain the class as stock looking as possible! We are looking at making this class grow in the IWA not just for 1 race a year ( Grantsburg ) This is something that needs to be done for the IWA. There is not a mod sled here in the west that has a solid front end. Every pro sled has a functioning front end that at least apears similar to a stock looking front end with Shocks. We dont want to go backwards and look like a solid front end or our old leaf springers. I think our drivers do well with making great looking equipment. I was just bringing up the plastic for the reason of keeping the sport cost effective. Aka ( no TI or aftermarket plastic)
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nickster
new richmond wi.
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I was able to go and watch some dirt track racing this weekend. Believe me the racers could care less about what Dodge, Ford, or Chevy. thought there cars look like. They were there to race, and put on a show. The best looking car didn't win, and I don't think the crowd cared. The fans were there to watch good racing, and that's what they got. We need to worry about putting on a good show ( good racing). We don't need to worry about the factories we need to worry about the after market companies' that support the IWA. Don't get me wrong we need to put our best foot forward, and show up with good looking sled's, and put on a good show. The 600 mod class will just make for a better show, can Straightline, LRM, Crankshop, D&D, PSI,or other's make a 600 keep up with a 800 that is to be seen (hopefully).
Like I have said before if any IWA member want's to talk to me about this rule please call me at 715-566-1258. As of right now I plan on voting for the change.
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H2OX175
wisconsin
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well put, without the crowd we don't have races . Some guys I worked with went to there first race at Wausau, and I asked them different questions . One said he never would have thought it was going to that competitive , one told me he liked seeing sleds like his out there pre2000 . one comment was, they said it was a yam. but it didn't look like it. Out of three different guy's I asked is there any thing we could do better, only 2 things ,the down time of pulling sleds witch I told him that was a part of are sport, and the other was that the races with only 2 sleds was kind of boring . they were all very happy with the show and plan on going again next year and brining friend and or kids. Kenny
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wardlake
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Bobby, (I believe) the reason SLP can not sell you the pipes is because you have to go to a Polaris dealer.
I can not see why people are against this rule change.
Everyone I have talked to said they would not agree with a change if it takes out any current equipment. It you want to narrow up your stocker fine. If Derek bring's in a 600 Mod great. If Chad want's to run his Rev just like he had it setup this year fine. I honestly hope he does to see if the compitition can compete or if the IWA has to go a different direction. Staying relatively current is fine... Remember you have to watch the money and still bring in new drivers to the class.
As far as the EWA goes, maybe come up with an EWA rule for Grantsburg. I don't see any reason to lock them out of the World Championships... (see how many come over the trial period)
I really think this has to happen for two reason's.
But I do agree with those who feel this should be a trial in the Pro class only.
1. More of the new sleds are going to be EFI, so this will give everyone a chance to see what mod 600's will do against stock 800 Rev's. If Ski Doo keeps dominating this class it will die as I feel it is already.
2. I think sno X racers are looking for something to do with the sleds they have. This will give you more drivers.
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DM16
the mean streets
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Bobby if you are in need of twins give me a call I can find you some in no time.
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Akbar
Wisconsin
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lots of great ideas out there keep them coming, feel free to look me up at hay days to discuss this further.
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mbenoy119
IWA World Headquarters
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wardlake wrote:As far as the EWA goes, maybe come up with an EWA rule for Grantsburg. I don't see any reason to lock them out of the World Championships... (see how many come over the trial period)
I agree with that 100%
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mosherman1
Pine City, NY
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glhperformance wrote: Every pro sled has a functioning front end that at least appears similar to a stock looking front end with Shocks. We don't want to go backwards and look like a solid front end or our old leaf springers.)
Shawn,
I must admit some of the IWA Drivers put a lot of time and money into the appearance of their machines, but to say that some of the risky "functional" suspensions people come up with are "Stock appearing is just ludicrous. I personally have pretty beat up looking sleds that admittedly need an update. Maybe some fresh paint and some new skin are in order after 8 fun years of racing. However, I do feel that the rigid spindle front is a safe proven set up for water that should not be eliminated. I would rather see a rigid front with a spindle than a farm fabricated arm that could break and hurt a driver or god forbid a spectator. Do you really think go cart shocks and 1/2" tubing are the safest thing? If you want to make a stock class MAKE IT 100% STOCK. Seats and all. Then you can call it stock. Stock track, stock ignition, stock shafts, stock skis, stock everything. Then, Maybe is would be a cost effective class. Then MAYBE people could use their trail sleds. You will definitely have a class of sleds that dont handle for Dog Doo. But at least the factories will like it. (NOT!)
As it stands I think you are missing the point. Everyone benefits from relaxing rules. Tech is easier, there is less arguing and the sport is better. If you want to worry about looks fine but look and some of the beat up riveted******on the snowcross track. I think that in general they are the worst looking sleds in racing, only held together by their numerous sponsors decals.
The other point is the sport. THINK BIGGER!! get you head out of the sand and think about the evolution to a common set of rules for everyone so if you want to race anywhere you can. Both sides need to change their tune and I have taken alot of******from veteran drivers because of the changes that have moved the EWA rules to a very similar state to the IWA rules. This was done on purpose and with caution. We reduced our classes to 2 groups and used a round type format which is much like your own. Do we need to make more concessions? YES! but you need to quit think of your own self centered world and understand that a Common set will be the best thing for the sport.
6 years ago Jeff Fischer and I looked at both groups and came up with the challenge format. As rules changed we have insured that on both sides drivers could compete. Today we need to look again because there is a big gap on sled types. Our guys love the 600 MOD because they can compete is 2 classes with one sled. Yes you give up power to the 8 but the 6's handle great. I have a feeling that if your guys could do the same they would. I would bet as far as HP is concerned My LRM mod and Chad Maki's Skidoo stocker have about the same power. I would also be willing to bet that if they (the stockers) have the chance they would be in favor of changing their set up to help the handling.
Anyway, I have known you for a long time and appreciate your comments but I am a little tired of the narrow minded approach and the "We are better" attitude you project. I think the eastern drivers have proven their place among the best in the world and if you really want the IWA to be World Class you would think worldly not locally. There are just as many sleds, drivers, and races in the east that are equal in quality to anything that you do. Lets all figure out how to make it work for the future!
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glhperformance
downing wi
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Scott is your head in the sand. First off the changes of adding the 600 mod in the IWA was not brought up for the world wide idea. It was brought to the table to try to revive i dieing class in the IWA. As for functioning front ends this was a rule that has been in the IWA for along time. Yes we did make excepetions for the eastern drivers. Was it a bad thing? NO! but the whole idea is to get nice newer looking equipment and have all brands competitive in that class. What does having a functionable front end have any thing to do with being able to jump classes? What does looks have anything to do with Jumping classes. The only thing that has held drivers back from running there stock sled in the mod class is the narrowing of the front ends. It is proven that a narrow front end will handle and turn alot easier. The whole idea is that WE PUT NICE LOOKING AND WELL HANDLING EQUIPMENT OUT THERE FOR THE SHOW! THAT WILL KEEEP THE CROWD INTERESTED. AND SCOTT I AM NOT LOOKING AT THIS FOR MY OWN PERSONAL INTREST SINCE I DO NOT HAVE A SLED FOR THAT CLASS UNLIKE YOU WITH YOUR MOD 600!!!!! I am looking at this for the purpose of both the spectator and the driver. I am not knocking the solid front ends. as from what i can see that some of your top drivers are racing sleds now with functioning front ends.
And for the farm fabd front ends i have yet to see an accident in a race that there front broke and caused a crash OR ENDED UP IN THE CROWD!!!!!
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Revin
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Quote from Scott Mosher "If you want to make a stock class MAKE IT 100% STOCK. Seats and all. Then you can call it stock. Stock track, stock ignition, stock shafts, stock skis, stock everything. Then, Maybe is would be a cost effective class. Then MAYBE people could use their trail sleds. You will definitely have a class of sleds that dont handle for Dog Doo. But at least the factories will like it. (NOT!)"
Scott,
Our Pro Stock sled is my trail sled. I rode it last winter and I will trail ride it this winter. The motor has never even had the head ever removed. It has stock jetting, stock ignition(never been reprogrammed), stock shafts. It does have shorter front shocks and a stiffer center spring. It also has the airbox removed and air filters added to aid in engine longevity. We have used the same shocks and springs on the last 3 stock sleds that we have raced and trail ridden.
Clutching, suspension setup and hundreds of laps on the test pond are what makes our STOCK sled win consistently. Chad never sank the stock sled all year. The mod sank 3 times. I totally disagree with your opinions of Stock class racing. All forms of snowmobile racing have Stock classes.
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