kenlacy
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You oval guys have all your races within a fairly small area of the country, so it's hard to compare to the uscc xc series who have races from n. dakota to maine, but they were looking at the idea (not sure if it's been finalized) of racers being able to throw away one weekend, mostly just because they know not alot of people will make the run from minny out to maine. Different reason's, different circumstances, but the idea is being tossed around in snowmobile racing. IMO, you should have to show up to win.
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The Old Coyote
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Got it. Thanks.
As for the points system decided upon, I suspect it will be confusing to many of the fans. Most racing seems to adopt arcane schemes giving points for many things besides where they finish in the final. I can see paying some cash for heat wins and for laps led during the final, but the only point system that made sense to this, old codger is F1 (cars) with a simple:
1st place: 10 points
2nd place: 8 points
3rd place: 6 points
4th place: 5 points
5th place: 4 points
6th place: 3 points
7th place: 2 points
8th place: 1 point
Probably won't happen in snowmobile racing or many other forms of motor racing, but it certainly easy to figure out.
Main thing is to provide good racing and hopefully, the sport of oval racing will grow.
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Petawawarace
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SCM's point structure:
2 Heats and a Final
Heat races:
1st 8 points
2nd 7 points
3rd 6 points
and so on
Final:
1st 20 points
2nd 16 points
3rd 14 points
4th 12 points
5th 10 points
6th 9 points
7th 8 points
and so on.
Points from the heat races decide the starting of the final.
This system rewards the winner of the final more for winning it. But if you don't award any points for heat races you will have guys sitting them out. Say you break in the first heat, and you think hey theres no points for the second heat we can just take our time fixing it and be none the worse. Or bad track conditions. Next thing you know, there are no racers out for the heat races. Heat races need to have a points system to them!!!
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Hoglund Racing
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Ok I asked Mr Ewing to post this for me since I can't for some reason.
Ok well I haven't been on this board since well last season. The points system is a thought not saying we are or are not going to use it. We asked for your thoughts on this and ended the post on website with email wally with thoughts.
Now have any of you actually done that??? Or just vent on here? It should not come as a surprise to any of you that my father HATES the internet he would rather speak face to face,phone,fax, or even u.s. Mail. So he doesn't look on here.
Jerry thanks for your info also on your points system it seems similar to what we are thinking of in the sense of rewarding points to show and beating number of sleds. So in a sense to who asked there is another along with as Mark said Mira that does do this.
Years ago when I use to race you had to throw out a race with MRP, honestly it sucked. Throw out your worst weekend sounded great but think of this. Say your leading a class by 20 points so the person behind you is only 20 points back. No you throw out your worst weekend say it was 23 points and other dudes was one he didn't show up for. Now you just lost the championship by 3 points and you showed up EVERY weekend. Same thing can happen if your leading a class even if a person misses one weekend but finishes in top 3 in heats and finals when they are there, you can and it has happened loose your lead the last weekend if you have a bad run, don't make final, crash, etc. So point is we feel you drivers should be rewarded for showing up every weekend, and also rewarded for winning in a class that had more entries. Took that driver more work to finish in the final or even make the final than it did for a class that only has 4 or 5 sleds and you are all going to final anyways.
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mbenoy119
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Hoglund Racing wrote:
Years ago when I use to race you had to throw out a race with MRP, honestly it sucked. Throw out your worst weekend sounded great but think of this. Say your leading a class by 20 points so the person behind you is only 20 points back. No you throw out your worst weekend say it was 23 points and other dudes was one he didn't show up for. Now you just lost the championship by 3 points and you showed up EVERY weekend. Same thing can happen if your leading a class even if a person misses one weekend but finishes in top 3 in heats and finals when they are there, you can and it has happened loose your lead the last weekend if you have a bad run, don't make final, crash, etc. So point is we feel you drivers should be rewarded for showing up every weekend, and also rewarded for winning in a class that had more entries. Took that driver more work to finish in the final or even make the final than it did for a class that only has 4 or 5 sleds and you are all going to final anyways.
Nick Scheer
Outlaw Irrigation Services
That is why you give a rather large amount of bonus points for making all the races. That way if someone is serious about competing for a championship they make all the races and someone who misses even one weekend in the series has no chance at winning a points championship.
Now, add the throw away weekend into that mix. What that will do is eliminate people from "points racing" on the final 2 weekends of the season and it will crown a true champion.
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JAKKD 22
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The updated scoring system is now posted on www.pro-ice.com
Mark
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kenlacy
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Just out of curiosity - why the decision to make BJ a no points race for the rest of us who were planning on going?
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greybeard444
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Ken Because with the rising cost of all aspects of racing the reasoning behind this was to not, put a fiancial straping on the small teams and individual racers that have very small budgets right away at the beginning of the season and puts them in jeapordy of not being able to run the whole season.
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kenlacy
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Of all the races to not promote the F500 class, that is one you want - other than Eagle River, there were more F500's there than any other race - easily the best racing for F5 outside of ER. Seems crazy to give people a reason to not come.
If there is anyone out there running F500 this year and thinking about skipping BJ - you do not want to miss the BJ race - pick another one to miss. It is a great experience and if it is like last year, it will be the best racing you will have outside of ER.
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